I mean, PAC Man was possible. These aren't. They're about as possible as Master Chief.

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Who knows. I mean when it comes down to it, its really just your opinion on the matter.

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Not really opinion. Just common knowledge that they won't get in.

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Characters that won't be come to Smash 4 I can agree. Smash 5 however is a possibility. But that will be a LONG wait.. if Sakurai will make a Smash 5 or someone else will.

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Ridley? Not gonna happen. Tails? Waddle Dee? Daisy?

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they are still all duumbb choices

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It is an opinion. What you see as impossible doesn't always match Nintendo's. People thought it was common knowledge that Pacman wouldnt be in because some invisible force out there said "no more than two 3rd party fighters allowed" just saying not to take your opinion as fact. Ive seen too many that have done that and were proven wrong

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I'm just putting together facts to come to these conclusions.

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Wow.

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So what about all the people out there that are pushing Daisy to get in because they believe she has potential? Are they wrong for thinking that?

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Yeah. She is irrelevant and has no moveset potential.

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The "no moveset potential" thing is not a good argument after the wii fit trainer and duck hunt joined the game.. @Jonah, No, they're not

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So everybody with an opinion other than yours is wrong?

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Wii Fit and Duck hunt both have appeared in their own series, allowing them to take abstract items and movements from this series, and make them into a moveset. Daisy has appeared in a few spin off titles, and doesn't really have anything unique to her.

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Dr. Mario has appeared in even fewer spin-offs, and is simply a clone of Mario. The thing is, people really like clones. Even if Daisy appeared just as a clone of Peach, people would still like it.

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That's why I'm fine with Dr. Mario. He's Mario. The moveset is already there. Peach and Daisy are two different people. Giving Daisy Peach's moves wouldn't work, seeing how they are specific to how Peach has appeared over the years.

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Marth and Lucina are two different people. Besides, Daisy can take from Super Mario Land.

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Marty and Lucina are 2 different people. But they both take the same elements in FE, so making them clones here makes sense. Peach and Daisy don't do the same things, and Peach's moveset is already very specific to her. Marth and Lucina have very generic moves, which works for them.

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Again, Daisy can possibly take from Super Mario Land. Anything can happen

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Nintendo gave a moveset to a stick person, I'm pretty sure they can come up with one for Daisy.

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The stick person had a lot of games to take from. Daisy has barely any. And she did nothing in SML that that would make for a moveset.

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Duck Hunt. He didn't do anything. Got a great moveset. Just because you or someone else cannot think of a moveset, does not mean Nintendo can't.

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Duck had his own game, where they could pull abstract moves unique to him. Daisy does not have that. Until Nintendo makes a game focused around Daisy, making her more than just another captured princess, she will not have the relevance or moveset to be in Smash. If you asked me to come up with a Rosalina moveset a year and a half ago, I wouldn't know what to tell you. But since she has had games..

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... where she is uniqy and has a major focus around her, I would not have doubted that she be in.

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One game where Rosalina was playable, all the rest were where she was a story aspect or a go-kart driver.

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ROB is a toy. He never was a videogame character up until MarionKart DS. We can go back and forth on this but in the end, it's still your opinion

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Yes. She was a major part of a story, and a major part of Mario Galaxy itself. Mario Galaxy was a unique game, so making her a moveset was very possible. None of Daisy's games are unique, and she doesn't really play any kind of major role in them.

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I don't know how many times I have to make this point... ROB is his own character. He had a full set of actions and items from his own universe (or in this case, set) that could be taken and made into an odd, but unique moveset. Daisy is a side character that has never played a major role in anything.

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Also, all Duck Hunt did was pick up birds. And for the record, all Peach used to do before Melee was get kidnapped, she's got one suckish game for herself, and they still developed a moveset for her out of nowhere. Don't tell me that they can't develop a moveset for Daisy because she's irrelevant. That doesn't matter. Luigi's moveset is derived from Mario's, so they could easily do it again.

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Daisy is her own character too. Even in spin off games, she is shown tonuse floral abilities. There are more possibilities for her moveset than you think

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Go watch moveset analysis on Peach. She got all her moves from things she did in he's previous to Melee. I've already told you why Duck Hunt works 3 times now. Go back and read them. Luigi got moves (after 64) that were specific to how he acted as he developed more over the years. Relevance definitely matters. Every Mario character in Smash right now has played a Major role in at least 2 games.

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Daisy has nothing to take from those games, even if she has some common floral theme. Smash movesets are not just random punches and kicks made up on the spot. They are taken from past actions that the character has made. Daisy has nothing to use, other than some sports stuff, I guess...

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Nintendo can make a moveset for Daisy even if she's irrelevant and never played a major role. This entire discussion is based on your opinion. End of story, bye-bye. See you later.

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Your only making one point. You got any other reasons besides that she doesn't do much in her games?

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Sure, they could make a moveset. It'd make no sense, but they could. They still won't. I've given you the facts. She has no potential and is irrelevant.

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That's reason enough. You need to make a new point after I shot yours down, cause you are just saying the same things over and over, even though I've proven them wrong.

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So "Peach Bomber" makes sense then?

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Yes. Go find a moveset analysis. I recommend Relax Alax's. It's on YouTube.

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Captain Falcon. Why do people keep using their opinions as facts?. So again, anything can happen, wether you think so, or not. Nintendo calls the shots.

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Yes. Nintendo does call the shots. And the obvious shot is to not put Daisy in.

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That's your view. You don't talk for the rest of the world.

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I'm giving evidence on why they won't. Facts. If you didn't want to hear them, then why are you still commenting?

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Facts? You mean your view on why she shouldn't be in? Logic

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No. Fact. I'm done repeating why she won't be on. Go back and read the comments.

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Its all how you feel about the situation. Say fact all you like.

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It's data. Taking it straight from the source. That is, by definition, fact.

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@DaMan man them rabid fanBoy/girls cant get enough of ya its hilarious!

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Funny since your posts are nothing but Wolf posts.

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You said, and I quote: "It is incredibly obvious that these characters won't be in." If it were fact, you should have said "Nintendo has said that these characters won't be in." You only did that with Ridley.

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They don't need to say it. It is common knowledge.

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@Cody better to be a fanboy/girl of a good character that is well developed than a Waddle Dee with hat and stick fanboy.

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You have the most inaccurate opinion of what "common knowledge" is that I've ever seen.

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No. Neither is better. It is not "common knowledge". It's your opinion.

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Again. I've given facts. Go back and read them. They prove why these characters wont be in.

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Sorry you think those are facts. Nintendo calls it, not you or me.

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What part of "Daisy has few games" isn't fact?

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What part of it says "She can't be playable"? With your logic that characters need their own games to base them on, Paper Mario is then indeed possible. Meanwhile, Duck Hunt got moves that wern't his own games.

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Duck Hunt's series was all the Zapper games. Paper Mario wont be in because it would be the 3rd Mario. And I don't mean clone of Mario. It would make 3 Marios on the select screen. Nintendo is smart enough not to do that. Every character in Smash has played a major role in a game. Daisy hasn't.

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plus Duck hunt is a classic, goes for ROB and Mr.game and Watch, characters have to be truly special to be in the roster

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@Vivian, I guess Dark Pit is truly special then. "Paper Mario wont be in because it would be the 3rd Mario" Someone told that to me about Metal Mario when I asked for his return in Mario Kart 8. Obviously that happened and more. So there are two Mario's. That does not rule out Paper Mario at all. ROB has played no role in a game. Your logic astounds me.

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Mario Kart and Smash are two COMPLETELY different things. I've already said why ROB is in, and so did VivianWolf. Dark Pit is probably the 3rd or 4th most prevalent character in Kid Icarus Uprising, so yeah. He is that special.

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Sakurai knows Dark Pit, that's why he's in. Sakurai knows Waddle Dee, enough said.

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Still doesn't matter. Having 3 "Mario's" in Smash is not out of the question.

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But it's a decision that Nintendo is smart enough to know is the wrong one. Dark Pit isn't in just because he's Sakurai's. And with that logic, Waddle Dee would have been in a long time ago.

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Then why wasn't DDD in Melee? Why wasn't Palutena in brawl?

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Plus, you say D. Pit is "special" because he was important in one game? *cough* Daisy *cough*

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^^^

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It's your opinion that it is wrong.

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DDD was supposed to be in Brawl, and Palutena didn't play that major of a part till Uprising. Daisy hasn't been important in any game.

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Melee* not Brawl

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I'm not saying Waddle Dee and Daisy are "comfirmed", just saying that they aren't decomfirmed. I actually doubt Daisy's return.

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They have pretty much no chance when you look at their history.

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Why are Pit & Meta Knight not in Melee?

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No. They were both supposed to be.

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It's still not your call. One of the arguments you're making is that it would be unwise for Nintendo to put Daisy in. Your OPINION is the exact same. You BELIEVE it would be unwise for Nintendo to put Daisy in. Therefore, your argument = your opinion.

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Time constraints and supposedly system limitations. They had trouble with the wings.

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Not unwise. Unrealistic.

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"The obvious shot is to not put Daisy in." Which is still your opinion.

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Obvious indicates fact.

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It is you opinion that Daisy will not get in... And I share the same opinion.

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It is a conclusion based on fact.

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No it doesn't. "Obvious" indicates "obviously", which is a word you use only when stating an opinion. Go learn how to write a research paper.

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Google the description of obvious

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Do you ever get tired of saying that? After all, there are tons of people who would disagree with us. So your opinion is the only one that matters?

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Its not opinion. Don't know how else to get this through to you.

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You did it again. Stop!!!! If Wii Fit Trainer got in, anyone can! Almost everyone didn't see that coming. If I asked you, "Will WFT get in?" You would say no.

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I don't need to Google it. Unless Nintendo comes out and says "Daisy will not be in Smash because she is irrelevant, has not played a major part in any games, and has no moveset potential," then those are the reasons you believe she won't be there. Opinion.

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WFT is from her own series. Stop making the same invalid argument. Nintendo doesn't have to say she won't be in. Just like they don't have to say that Ratchet and Clank won't be in.

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I would say maybe to WFT. She falls into the same category as Cooking Mama, who was one of my predicted characters for Smash 4.

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Your arguments are based on opinions that you draw from poorly deduced logic. Nothing you've said has been valid.

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Again. How is "Daisy has not had any major roles" an opinion?

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That's not the point you're arguing.

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That is a fact. It's your "no roles=no entry" thing that is an opinion

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Its not an opinion. Its a conclusion based on statistics.

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Pit. One role, entry.

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Pit? That's your counter argument? The main character of a quite popular series? One of the few characters who was intended to be in 64 and Melee, but was cut due to system limitations? OK.

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