This is the next chat post, thanks again to Jason-dono. Commenters beware, there are many notifications in your future! Inflatible on a lake? Yeeees. Much fun.

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Beach please I wanted to be a demon hunter like Dante from Devil May Cry

Also, I've never had the power go out in a bad weather time. Always in perfect weather. Doesn't sound fun.

Jason! I was going to respond to Ed and you took the last comment! Not cool.-_- @Ed:Yup XD

Eighteen? ... ... People make me sad as well.

Oh, you couldn't be more wronger, Ed. Also, in response to the original post... This is also why I have very mixed thoughts on video games.

Seriously? He's going to copy a video game... -_- That's just sad. Inflatable on lakes are the best! Hours of fun. XD

Aww! I've never been in a lake. (swimming wise) I HATE swimming. It freaks me out. Thats why i've never swam before. What!!? You can survive 30 degrees!? Thats way too cold. I'd freeze! Hah! Over in Az where i live its 103+ degrees and its considered "warm" xD We have no pools, but our air conditioning never goes out unless we dont pay the bills. The power never goes out unless we have huge storm

-s, which are extremely rare. Even if Mexico is having Huge hurricanes, we might not get much. Oh well, I really dislike snow and all things cold. (Weather related) That's why I'll Forever be an Arizonian. (mabe..?) Ok, I skipped the rest of the post because i wanted to say something really bad. We've been doing a lot of cleaning, by this, i mean emptying boxes, preparing a yardsale...etc.

Cupcake, I'm an Arizonan too, but it seems the older you get, the less tolerable the heat becomes. You haven't gone swimming? You're missing out on the fun. There's nothing to be afraid of; you're always on the surface.

I kinda agree with him, I'd like being a mercenary. If I lived on Magvel. Seriously, guys, who's to say he wasn't joking? Why are we all throwing the "people make me sad" line when we have very little details? @Elzo Mixed thoughts on video games? Why, it's not the video game's fault, it's that guy's if he was serious.

I've lived in Arizona for a lot of my life. I lived on the Reservation, which gets pretty hot. And I played outside during that time. xD Once it gets 100 and over. It's just hot. I don't care because it just feels all the same once it goes over 100. I prefer snowing over very hot. Because snowing means I can stay inside all day, or hide in big jackets. :>

um just to let you guys know i probably wont be very qctive today. i dont have timeto explain it right now but ill try tontelll you later

I agree with Matthew. Does playing cooking games make you a master chef? No. Does playing a football game make you a football player? Nope. Some people may get ideas from those game, and some may want to be like the people in the game. But what I'm trying to say that not everyone who plays war games or CoD, wants to become a war machine. Some may want to, and some just like those games.

doesn't mean you should ignore them. You might know better, but a lot of people don't.

Well I missed a lot You can create a game but you really can't become a game

That is an utterly śtúpid concept. I'm not usually quite that blunt, but attributing the problems in the world to M rated games is so closed minded and the idea has no solid ground to stand on. There absolutely were things like that before M rated content came around, possibly worse things, and I believe if M rated content disappeared we would still have worse and worse problems.

It makes much more sense to attribute these problems to the people, for example lack of morals. If these people already have that mindset, it doesn't matter if they get an idea from a game or not, what's in their head will be manifested in their actions. I'm not saying this in defense of violent games, I'm not particularly fond of them. Rather, I'm saying the concept you guys are presenting is

misguided.

A certain Book is very clear on this topic, but my alt is down. I'll try to add input later.

I don't like the games at all, and I don't think people should play them. But I'm just saying that people don't always do the things they see in video games.

@Mandy: You can't become a game, no, but that doesn't stop people from trying. @Simon: Is the problem moral? Yes. Does pop culture help? No. Did people do bad things before video games? Yes. But it wasn't NEARLY as widespread. My dad's classmates showed up at school with shotguns in the back of their trucks. But nobody cared, because almost nobody used them for the wrong reasons back then.

Crime rates have risen monumentally since then. What's the difference between then and now? Pop culture. The vast majority of America finds most of their entertainment in mindless violence on TV, their game controller, the movies, everywhere. When you have a morally-deficient society that finds entertainment exclusively in violence, what do they do when they get bored? They seek out that which has

always entertained them. They want to be mercenaries. They want to be like James Bond with the license to K. And once you have this mindset, what do you do when you meet someone you don't like? What do you do when you need cash? You can have no morals and not be evil. But when you have no morals and couple that with a mind centered on violence? That's when things get ugly.

You've got it backwards, Ed. Crime isn't up because of the way pop culture is, pop culture is the way it is because of the was society is. Blaming inanimate objects for what's going on is a sure way to keep it going, it's a problem with the people, not weapons or pop culture or any other scapegoat silly statistic makers would have you believe.

I'll also say this: thirty years ago, there were few gun restrictions because almost nobody used them violently. Nowadays people use them violently at the drop of a hat. There's an obvious decrease in morality, but... What caused it? What has changed between then and now that causes people to think like this?

Ed: I told you about what happened when I let video games control me and what I lost because of that. I know what video games can do, and I know it can extend much further as shown in your example. This is why I'm wary about the kinds of games play (Zelda, Mario, 2 Pokemon games), and why I'm wary of others. Games may not be the direct cause for a lot of things, but they certainly don't help.

However, I'm aware of both sides of the coin, as in Matthew's argument. A Chr!stian friend of mine is only allowed to play one game (series), Halo. He's never been that interested in games to begin with. So, I looked into Halo. Interesting story, for sure, but I'm sure that there are things in the game that wouldn't be Chr!stian, but he also knows how to ignore them. He probably wouldn't have eve

n known they were there beforehand. In spite of playing that game, he's turned out fantastic. Here's another example: me. When I first played Ocarina of Time, I had no idea that there would be the Great Fairies, ReDeads, pretty much the whole Shadow Temple. But guess what I do? Those aren't good things, so I avoid or quickly dispose of the ReDeads, and I always shut my eyes and mash A for the Grea

t Fairy. In spite of some elements (or many elements) having things that are bad in them, depending on the person and how morally grounded they are, video games could, and could not effect them to do something violent or wrong. In a sense, both you and Matthew are right.

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Trying to become a game will get you nowhere. Ok. Games are fine but at least there should be parental control on M rated games. My bro plays M rated Xbox games. Before he got the game my Dad looked at the back of the game box to see what it would contain. If it was just a sh00ting game my dad was ok with it but if it had all kinds of cr@p like nud!t!y or pr0f@n!ty my was like no way.

I forgot to finish what I was saying. Most of the time though, that I've seen, video games help to ruin. Also that first comment was directed towards Matthew, not Ed.

Wow, yes, I do agree that the unexposed female form is actually quite horrifying. :) I don't understand, she's not showing anything that you wouldn't normally see if you went to the beach or something, and the game's original rating was E for everyone, only recently graduated to E10+ after the release of the 3D remake. ._.

I can't I can't

shh rau go home <3

She's altogether terrifying. It should have been like the fairies in Four Swords, or A Link Between Worlds/A Link to the Past.

Yeah, sure. But would you like it if your future mate was looking at that kind of stuff.

Not at all. I was merely talking about when you are kids. For that? No, it's not a good thing, Noelle.

Oh, that comment was for Terezi. You had a very good point. :)

I don't really care what my future mate looks at. I would trust them not to become obsessed with fictional characters. :P

No, I think you meant "In my opinion, she should have looked differently." The great fairy doesn't terrify me at all. She is wearing a little too much makeup, but I've seen girls at my local pool exposed more than she is. XD

No girl of mine better look at any of those shirtless carpenters. So scantily clad they are. Who could resist their rated E gazes of pure adult level seduction? I have as of late, though wherefore I know not, lost all of my... Childhood. The great fairy took it from me That succubus. Something is Rotten in the state of Denmar-- err Hyrule. Stop. No more hamlet. Shh.

Yuck. yuck. YUCK!!! (why do kids at school talk about this all the time? I cant believe i know what youre talking about. To bad I dont. :'( hmmmm) Ok, sooo...I'm not going to take part in that, mainly because, I dont. Just, no. Ummm... I'm back?

Games don't corrupt, one only does things like that if they were corrupt to begin with. Eva, just because other people dress like that doesn't mean I necessarily wish for to look at stuff like that... Eva and Rau, you guys notice when you show up you each yeah every single one of the other's comments? Why you guys never yeah my comments? :P

You guys are forgetting the hottest enemy in the game: Fire Keese. Definitely should've censored that. But yeah, Redeads are in a similar boat. After you shoot them with a fire arrow.

On the topic of video games corrupting people, well Matt is right in a way. The violence in media can definitely stimulate violence in real life people. But people are rather doing poorly now. Lots more of us now. Lots more poor, broken families, after all single parent households breed most criminals. And the political situation. Economic situation. Easy access to arms. There are Sooooo many

Blake: Don't you mean Torch Slugs? They're made of magma, so...

Factors to this situation. To blame it on media is but one facet. Bad parents is a bigger contender alone to be honest.

To give my thoughts on vyoelence in video games: Pop culture might be "worse" now than it was thirty years ago, but I wouldn't call it worse than Rome. Or the "days of Naoh" (I'd elaborate on that if I had my alt.) But many other things have also changed. Cultural mindset. Spread of information. Everything Rau just said. I don't quite think video games are the ones to blame. But...

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I never pegged it as the sole culprit, Rau, just a culprit. I believe it makes a difference, regardless of how many other factors there are in the equation. Simon, everybody is corrupt to some degree to begin with, but not everybody does things like that. What makes some people more corrupt than others? There are factors that lead to this. Wait, what happened, Zack?

This is all closer to opinion than fact. I don't know enough about the topic nor do I know if anybody knows enough nor do I know if we know enough about the brain yet to decide which is the cause and which is the effect.

Also, I feel sad for that kid, but I wouldn't blame the video game in this situation. If he truly thinks that video games are an accurate gauge if real life, there are bigger issues going on than the video games.

Let's look at it this way: an outlet as massively widespread as video games is going to have an effect on society. Looking at the kinds of games that are popular, you don't need to be a psycologist to tell what kind of effect it's going to be. Assassin's Creed isn't teaching any moral values.

Umm, ok...So the case is closed for now? :p Anywho, What's up? The ceiling i Assume? *almost expl0d3s with exitement. Is very close to getting enough money to buy pokemon X/Y

Ugh, but... Y'all are gonna miss out on Bayonetta. :( That's your decision though. I just refuse to shelter myself because... Well, I don't need to. And I like to think I have remained a morally uncorrupted person. :]

Sorry about that, Rau...

The question is whether video games are a substitute for real life or a messed up way to teach messed up morals. Is a kid that plays Mortal Kombat going to start gladiator fighting IRL, or are multiple "gladiators" dedicating their lives to Mortal Combat as opposed to something that has more severe effects? That's the other side of the argument.

They can work as both, Blake. But the fact that they're a messed up way to teach messed up morals is still a problem, and the fact why I'm very cautious when buying a new game.

Books about fighting and killing have been around forever. Oral stories, poems, songs.. They all existed before video games. Your formative years. Most of your personality is made up at 5 years of age or something. The framework for it at least. Proper parenting has to be the leading cause among causes. It's the most important thing we do.

No apology required, Matt.

Bayonetta? Like I said, I've seen more exposed women at my local pool. Good to know where your limits are though. XD

And right now, with welfare helping single parents who screw up their marriages or picked bad partners, bad parents are rampant. There have been so many studies linking single parented children to bad effects.

Yes there is. I don't want to be seen as someone who goes around arguing what I believe with everyone. I've never been very good at this, but I need to be a much nicer person. The best way to demonstrate what I think is more than shallow debates. I need to quit pointing fingers and instead extend a hand of friendship...

True, I never said they weren't a factor though. I'm just saying on the pie chart of the psychology of the modern day nerf herder video games isn't the biggest slice. At least we agree on that.