Well theres the Death Battle between on youtube that goes into it in detail. My take is that there's nothing Mario can do that Sonic cant, and he's just faster at doing them.

Anyone may have speed but at the same time can have a high risk of messing up XD you're telling me Mario can't even trip Sonic?

Sonic's spins also give him ALOT more options that a single spin jump or ground pound can do.

@RED! Mario has amazing instincts...

the ending you see with spiderman and batman. sonic has never used his legs at high speeds. it's the spin dash he uses.

So Mario can't use powerups but Sonic can still hold on to his rings XD plus you are basing that on platform Mario games XD

"sonic is practically INVINCIBLE if he keeps even one ring with him, but with mario, it usually takes two hits from an enemy to kill him... unless there is another mushroom nearby" don't judge their

health from that please

Marios cape can deflect most of sonics spin attacks Screwattack! didnt do the red plumber justice

Say they had no rings/mushrooms, sonic would still win because mario would try to jump on sonic...and miss every time bc of sonics dash

So you are only basing after the platformers XD the normal mushrooms are only powerups in platformers XD

rings are not his power up,they do not alter him, they are his life force. mario's mushrooms make him larger, altering him, thus considered a power up.

Don't say miss everytime XD every character will make a mistake XD

@Bobby "mario's mushrooms make him larger, altering him, thus considered a power up." Yes....in platformers.

But you do have to collect them and in sonics most intense battles he starts out with at least 6-9

I don't think people realise rings are just energy.

@ chris spin dash anyone? Just picture in ur head sonic doing that every time Mario tried to jump on him. It would be a troll fest on Sonics part

Again, even the fastest characters can slip up XD

Platformers HAVE to be taken into account because that's the meat of Mario's history.

Even with rpg logic, it would only be a drawn out version of the same outcome

Then you should also take in the other genres as in those they are NOT power-ups but rather restore health like in the Mario and Luigi RPG XD

@Chris thank you marios life force is considerd mushrooms but he is large sometimes with out them (melee\Brawl/sunshine]

I never said that XD both can make mistakes.

and even the most cautious hero can make mistakes too. mario and sonic are not perfect.

Ok so lets get rid of platformer logic then. We still have sonic with more options due to spin attacks and speed that would ultimately overwhelm Mario without powerups

@Hannah the faster characters do tend to make more mistakes

Speed tornadoes, homing attacks, spin dashes, lightning fast kicks, there's onlyso much that hammer can deflect

Another thing is that you guys are also making Mario the underdog here (which in some cases is vice versa for Sonic) XD this is why I believe if they fight, it will be a tie XD

even if power ups were brought into the argument, sonic has the chaos emeralds.

Mario doesn't need power ups. They are all useless against Sonic anyway.

So if I put Batman without any of his tech but is still a genius against Flash, by all means Flash would win XD

Bobby Stars...

Then give sonic 12 rings and we can get this party started

Sonic can be reckless but hes shown to be very consistent when it comes to dodging things with his speed in cutscenes and animated media. Mario woukd have a hard time landing a hit, his only option is

Defense

chaos emeralds AREN'T power ups!

@chris yeah that would be great, untill the effects run out after ten seconds.

Until I see an official fight with Sonic and Mario XD I don't think Sonic would be him and vice versa. I believe it is a tie until such is said XD.

*beat him

Lemme put a scenario: sonic spins at mario, he deflect his atk with a hammer,but sonic creates a tornado: disorienting or even disarming him. The sonic would wail several atks on him while he has the

Opening

chaos emeralds are power ups. just has a different(and fustrating) way of collecting it.

hannah. sonic can only create tornados around his body. he can't launch them

That doesn't prove anything to me as Mario can spin with the tornado with a Mario Tornado XD

Thats what I meant red. Either way he can also generate wind from a quick spin so it hardly matters

Why not play SSBB, Run 1000 Matches with no items and both CPU'S at level 9, and see how many matches Mario and Sonic win and lose. That's what they did on Deadliest Warrior.

No Bobby. Your ignorance on Sonic is pathetic.

Mario has awesome reflexes, but so does sonic, exponentially more to work under speed conditions. Imagine having to dodge sonics light attack in a mario rpg game? Would be near impossible

hannah. around his body. not creating a tornado around the whole circle he runs in

Mario dosent need skill he has the patience to take it slow and think it out he could predict sonics every move if he wanted to

I'm going to end here XD until I see an official Mario and Sonic fight, I believe it will end up as a tie XD. That is what I believe. Anything could happen in the fight. I'm not going to say one would

One problem @Hannah MARIO JUMPS 10ft HIGH

Chris. This is a tornado Sonic can create around his body. Mario can spin like one. Doesn't create one.

win just like that XD. I believe if I do that, i'm quite bias (only talking about myself). Anyway i'm done. I have a direct to watch later on today. Night XD

PS I said spin with the tornado. Meaning he can spin with the Blue tornado XD

He could do that in Sonic Battle too, by spinning and they actually did damage

However Hannah it cannot stun bosses wich mario would be considerd

but even then mario has to be next to sonic to use his tornado attack. sonic would most likely be to fast to pin down.

@chris ultimately it comes to what Sonic was designed for by Sega, Mario's speedier, better counterpart. While gamewise it's debatable, skillwise Sonic literally runs circles ahead of mario in every

Way

sorry but trust me its not 10ft

Chris. Mario's whole body would be ripped into pieces if he did that. derp

That doesn't change anything to me CJ. Until I see an official battle, I believe it is a tie. I'm not going to say one would win like that. There is more then meets the eye.

I mean Mario, on the offense, would hardly be able to hit Sonic with jumps and hammer swings (slow attacks btw) Defense on the other hand, he would have a hard time missings sonics constant spin atks

A fully carged mario jump could propel him on top of a house

how many times do I have to say the tornado just surrounds sonic's body? sonic is just simply creating wind to trap you while his in spin dash flying all around it.

*dodging not missing sorry

That still doesn't change anything to me CJ. Until I see an official fight, I believe a tie will occur. If you guys don't agree with me, that's fine.

”spin attack” Aka. the noob spam.

if mario was propelled that high, sonic would mostly kick him down, stuning him in the process.

Now i'm officially off. Good night people

Noob spam, as in effortless

Exactly

A ”Wind kick” is not a vibration of the ground it is a strong gust of wind only able to malfunction bad nicks

Wind kicks dont even matter, sonic can do alot more damage with with the shot atk from Battle and the Sonic Tornado

He dosent have to swing it hard to hit a weak point aka his legs

hannah. that's just to make the game more challenging as mario rpgs are about timing :p

yep. thing is sonic is completely blind in that spin dash though.

Notice sonic has to Charge a spin attack

Ok this is all taking into account Sonic being elaborate. If we took restraint from hin he would spam homing atks so fast that no amt of hammer swings could save him from

homing attack is more of game mechanic, hannah. it's like the automatic lock in zelda for example.

Mario has restraints too you dont think he could hit sonic one time with it being made with metal gold or silver sonic would be K.O.