Hopefully if they bring in a Chelandelure I'd switch to my Rotom, otherwise it would stop my Breloom in its tracks.

@Tactiturn Just use all Pokémon with Battle Armor then. Simple.

Oh, and either remove all abilities, or make them all the same.

@David: he can still be beat. Anyway, Dark Void>Spore.

@Taciturn Wow, my comment ninja'd you in a whole new level.

@2Can: Spore > Dark Void , as Spore has 100% accuracy, while Dark Void has 90%.

@2Can, Not in a single battle.

For doubles, though. I didn't know it had 90%. Someone on PS repeatedly used it with his Smeargle.

Oh, 80%? Didn't know it was that bad. But yeah, in Double Battles it's usually better.

If Smogon is it's followers, then why is "Smogon" to blame? Wouldn't the followers be bad?

The Metagame is unfair, as most other games' are. They need to deal with the fact that it is. They can ban all they want, but it just leads to more.

"The point is, Smogon is bad." If Smogon is it's followers, than why not just say Smogon's followers are bad?

Blake is using correct logic to confuse Jason.

The people who follow it are part of the rule system and whatnot. Meaning they created if, yes?

If Smogon is made up of its followers, than why not just use the source material and say its followers instead of Smogon? I mean, you can say that...

... x=2 and 4=2x , but why not simplify that?

The followers make up Smogon, as you have stated with "SMOGON. IS. ITS. FOLLOWERS". So, what's the reasoning behind not just saying "I disagree with the followers that make up Smogon."?

Also, those people who voted, that was only a very small fraction Smogon users, and probably all of the head people and whatnot.

You really just don't understand how the thing works, do you? The people who created Smogon and make the decisions have the main influence over those decisions, but the followers do have some…

…influence. The main people who have the most influence don't expect everyone to play by their rules outside of their servers, however the followers with little influence do, and they are the ones to…

…rant about.

[1] The claim is specific and represents your views, the words are being used well (or your views as I understand them, as I made the statement).

[2] First off, ambiguity is being inexact with language, so by using specific claims, ambiguity is not being created. Second, the claim is specific and unambiguous.

…"It's funny how naive you are being right now."

That's just how the tiers are named. They don't mean anything.

And Uber?

How is that ambiguous?

Ok, however, I'm sure there's a higher-up on this stuff.

Nope, there was a meaning, and a cause to be suspicious, just two separate thoughts at once. This is also quite unrelated, as my offered statement has only one purpose.

And not all of the community is bad, just the ones that expect you the play by those rules no matter what.

"Smogon is very influential in the Pokémon community with many people treating their rules as the absolute truth. They're clearly powerful, perhaps even overpowered. I motion Smogon be banned." ...

When you substitute Smogon's followers for Smogon as you would functioning off of "SMOGON. IS. ITS. FOLLOWERS", you end up with a statement where you say that Smogon's followers should be banned.

This arguement isn't going to end, is it?

So, Smogon. It's really just meh for me. I'm fine with their rules, just don't like the people.

But (hypothetically, as this would be implausible to implement) then you would also be banning people who use Smogon's rules on appropriate places but not in the main game, as they would still be...

... a Smogon follower.

Well, if your statement's just "Smogon is very influential in the Pokémon community with many people treating their rules as the absolute truth" than what were you trying to say?

Though banning Mega Gengar, that's some BS.

I think it was justified. Perish Song should just be banned as a whole, though.

Nothing is, just there's no reason for randomly stating a fact. You don't see me just posting "bananas are yellow".

@Lux You point that out because Gengar is a favorite of yours. Yet you're okay with others' favorites being banned?

I could see someone posting that and eventually the conversation turning into a conversation about reality... Anyway, that's beside the point!

Interesting... xD

Any decent Ground, Psychic, Ghost, or Dark move demolishes it. And Substitute isn't going to get it too far.

That if you were just posting that "Smogon is very influential in the Pokémon community with many people treating their rules as the absolute truth", there would be no reason to do it.

Gengar's move pool covers ALL of it's weaknessess

MPL? I strangely feel like that's all of us in MLP or you made a typo...

Also, any good physical attack can EASILY take it down. And, Focus Blast is unreliable.

Got it boss.

Well, if it was all a joke , then why defend it so much? Otherwise that's fit perfectly. And why not bring that up first?

@Everyone defending Mega Gengar: Bullet Punch Scizor.

@Blake What Jason wrote in this post was a joke about how Smogon does a lot of banning. Everything in the comments, though, is to be taken seriously.

With any game that isn't tweaked from the top down, I think some sort of user based regulation will naturally intervene to try and balance the competitive game, to try and keep it competitive.

Smogon seems to be the name of the organisation that holds all the clout with regards to competitive Pokemon.

That doesn't mean I like it though. From my decentish experience of competitive Pokemon, most teams are just C+Ped from Smogon's pages on them.

The metagame got pretty stagnant in my time, especially on simulations where everything can be changed so quickly.

Everything was just a reaction to everything else, so the entire game was just made up fickly trends. There would be a few players who were dedicated enough to devise counter-trends, which would then

go on to become trends, which would be then get countered. There was very little original though. Just a lot of copy and pasting.

Luckily it IS completely unofficial, and so can be ignored, providing you can find another person who is happy to do so.

Whether it's necessary or not, I think the setting up of some sort of a competitive community in/was inevitable. I suppose the question is quite how much of a stranglehold it developed on the game

from that point onwards.