correction - (meant to say 8000 above) I noticed the point on toppler damage; slightly ironic after Ennea explained at length months ago why it wouldn't be possible to consider DPS'ing as toppler. I still wonder if there could be a completely different style of RP'ing with similar or better results(e.g.I wanted to experiment with 4 Black bane'rs at one point but never got the idea going)