64: terrible turn speed, Ness isn't stalled so much, inconvenient speed, no ledge sweetspot, 40 freaking frames of landing lag which is doubled if you fast fall Melee: turn around speed and speed alright, ledge sweetspot Super hard but not as bad as 64, landing lag a ton less Brawl: same as Melee but the ledge magnet lmao 4: OP 64's joystick isn't bad if you get used to it