I never mean tiers. I just meant that he's a better Marth. If I had meant tiers, I would be matching him up to Kirby, Bowser, Luigi, and other characters that are impossible to compare him to. Marth and Roy are similar enough to be able to compare and decide a superior of the two. Speaking of Kirby... If we were going by tiers, why is he still in the game? He was the worst character in Melee.